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The DEX Show | Podcast #107 -Digital Transformation Is Not Enough: Fear, Passion, and the Future of Business (John Hagel)

The DEX Show | Podcast #107 -Digital Transformation Is Not Enough: Fear, Passion, and the Future of Business (John Hagel)
Published
June 17, 2025
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What if the real barrier to transformation isn’t technology—but fear? Silicon Valley veteran, strategist, and author John Hagel joins Tom to challenge the myths of digital transformation, argue for the power of scalable learning over efficiency, and explore why unlocking human passion may be the only sustainable way forward.

From leadership mindsets to the future of education, John’s insights reframe the role of institutions in a world of accelerating change.

A real must-listen episode!

Read John's fantastic blog here.

Download The Science of Productivity Reports - part 1, 'Transformation: Driving Adoption, Productivity, and Change in the AI Era', free of charge right here. And part 2, 'The Experience Silo: HR, IT, and the Digital Workplace' here.

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Download a free copy of Forrester's 2024 EUEM Wave™ report here.

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