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The DEX Show | Podcast #120: What the Octopus Can Teach Us About AI (w/ Steve Wunker)

The DEX Show | Podcast #120: What the Octopus Can Teach Us About AI (w/ Steve Wunker)
Published
December 3, 2025
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Tim and Tom sit down with Steve Wunker — Managing Director of New Markets Advisors, author, and early pioneer of the smartphone — to explore the big ideas behind his latest book, AI and the Octopus Organization. Steve breaks down why AI shouldn’t just “bolt onto” old processes, how distributed intelligence reshapes the firm, and what leaders can learn from one of nature’s most adaptable creatures. From organizational plasticity to the changing role of middle managers, Steve offers a pragmatic roadmap for thriving amid rapid AI-driven transformation.

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